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Posted: Thu May 24th, 2007 05:33 am |
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PB wrote: zigzag wrote: I can´t wait to see the new mag with the actual 1000s laptimes done by the baron  !!
I think Dähnes 7:49 are history now.......
Err one thing to remember is that the 7:49 is not bridge to gantry....Not saying the lap won't be beaten but it is not going to get monstered that is for sure.
I drove the Radical turbo to a 7:19 lap (full lap not BTG) and no way can a bike keep up - and I ride a K7. Its just too hard to carry the same corner speed and too hard to keep the front nailed.
I just wanted to make clear that I actually do know the difference between a BTG-lap and a full race lap on the ring. 
I did not want to scale down Dähnes record. He is on of my alltime heros and will ever be, and someday Honda will give him the ultimate V4 to set the ring on fire again.....
When speaking about a laptime getting monstered, how much would that be in racing terms? Half a second? Ten seconds?
Watching Dähne´s Video on a 916 at Döttinger Höhe from gantry to bridge it takes 25 seconds.
So DL´s virtual laptime would be 8 minutes dead. But I think the GSX-R is a lot faster down there than the duc. And he had some traffic. And roadworks.
Regarding this, I still can´t wait to see Baron´s laptimes. And then I´ll do some calculating....
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Posted: Thu May 24th, 2007 06:55 am |
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PB wrote: Ha no I've seen this German bloke there many times long hair, Silver R1 and i'll be surprised if the guy is still alive he is totally flat in the foxhole and at the top grinds everything out - then stops has a fag and continues till he wears his boots out...
really.. well I go there everyday and have been for 7 years and know all the lads who are quick or there about.. and have never come across a guy on a silver r1 with long hair.. sure you got the right bike.??
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Posted: Thu May 24th, 2007 07:06 am |
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| There's a marshal blokey with long hair... but he ain't fast...
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Posted: Thu May 24th, 2007 08:38 am |
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Oh hey first up forget the Radical thing I didn't mean to get into the whole bike/car thing - just made the comparison for lap time purposes! But for what it is worth the Radical turbo was cobbled together by the factory late and melted a piston up to the Carusel. In '05 my friend did a new time in their V8 car and made 6m 50something...and seriously even a WSB, Moto GP bike would struggle but that is just my opinion.
On the subject of free lap - it isn't so hard to get some time on the track alone. The best people to speak to are the Sport Auto magazine people they would manage to get you time possibly at the end of a training day where you could get 10 mins of clear laps.
Maybe this guy is dead? I saw him maybe 2003 - old'ish guy, silver R1 - what more can I say?
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Posted: Thu May 24th, 2007 09:00 am |
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PB wrote:
Anyway to be really fast at the'Ring you need long hair and ride a German R1!
never seen it, i,m in my 7th year at the ring now. malc
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Posted: Thu May 24th, 2007 11:23 am |
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PB wrote: Oh hey first up forget the Radical thing I didn't mean to get into the whole bike/car thing - just made the comparison for lap time purposes! But for what it is worth the Radical turbo was cobbled together by the factory late and melted a piston up to the Carusel. In '05 my friend did a new time in their V8 car and made 6m 50something...and seriously even a WSB, Moto GP bike would struggle but that is just my opinion.
On the subject of free lap - it isn't so hard to get some time on the track alone. The best people to speak to are the Sport Auto magazine people they would manage to get you time possibly at the end of a training day where you could get 10 mins of clear laps.
Maybe this guy is dead? I saw him maybe 2003 - old'ish guy, silver R1 - what more can I say?
Agreed... a car is always going to be quicker round there... provided the car is a bit special, and well driven.. your bog standard run of the mill production cars (m3, M5 GT3 etcetc) will struggle against a local on a bike.... especially during TF...
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Posted: Thu May 24th, 2007 06:53 pm |
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| thanks for the info on the radicals best times and yes i would have to agree any bike is unlikely to trouble those , but as well as the obvious advantages of braking and grip ,i still think cars that generate downforce and ground effect are overcoming true mechanical grip limitations and cheating a bit . anyway fuck the cars ,unless its herr stuck drivin that mad m3gtr thing im not interested ! so are you guys going to be making dvds available to purchase or not ? surely im not the only person interested in this cos its far better viewing than the ghostrider /american stunt keich (scots word for shit ) thats doin the rounds at the moment .
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Posted: Thu May 24th, 2007 07:43 pm |
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| Wicked lap Dale - can you give me an idea of the camera set up please?
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Posted: Thu May 24th, 2007 07:46 pm |
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It was mine.. lol
Sony HC32 mini DV camera and a cheapo 480 line bullet cam of fleabay NTSC format as I bought them from the US ( gave up buying expensive ones as they tend to brake a lot when doing 170mph daily  ).
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Posted: Fri May 25th, 2007 12:05 am |
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OK first, very cool vid.
But I heard that some BMW tester actually broke Helmut Dahne's record on a stock K1200S already. I've heard [well read] it in couple different places actually.
Is that bull?
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Posted: Fri May 25th, 2007 06:31 am |
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| There was a hoo-hah about the K1200S doing a 7min57s lap... having ridden that bike around there... well... it'd be possible - but not fun!
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Posted: Fri May 25th, 2007 09:05 am |
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I watched the lap on the motorad website - it was markus barth and he was backing it in everywhere - absolutely awesome to watch.
in fact I've just found it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKxj66PEigk
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Posted: Sat May 26th, 2007 01:10 am |
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jasonmayer wrote: I watched the lap on the motorad website - it was markus barth and he was backing it in everywhere - absolutely awesome to watch.
in fact I've just found it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKxj66PEigk
nice vid,still nowhere near as clean as helmut dahne and 8s slower .dont think bren and dale are rolling off at the bottom of the fuchsrorhe either
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Posted: Sat May 26th, 2007 07:42 pm |
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Being the sad case that I am, I set both videos up to play sync'd. The ensuing TT-style race kept me amused. Markus seems to avoid the same bumpy apexes as me, and opts for the same early turn-ins, which is reassuring.
But he turns the bike like a 250cc machine!
I lose by a nose, three times clawing back a 3-second loss to traffic. 
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Posted: Sun May 27th, 2007 12:16 pm |
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SuperRetard wrote: I lose by a nose, three times clawing back a 3-second loss to traffic.
Must try harder
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Posted: Mon May 28th, 2007 04:07 pm |
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| Dale, how do you and the brenon rate the bridgestones compared to the Super Corsa's?
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Posted: Mon May 28th, 2007 06:46 pm |
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James O wrote: Dale, how do you and the brenon rate the bridgestones compared to the Super Corsa's?
As much grip..and feedback as SC's and don't tend to tear as much on the shoulder as a SC...
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Posted: Mon May 28th, 2007 06:48 pm |
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What he said... I tried some SC's the other day and was glad to be back on 002s again today. They are the control tyre though, so I'm getting pretty dialled into them
It has to be said though, the K7 is really ripping into them!
Only getting about 500 miles to a rear on the 'ring... maybe less... the same would probably be said of any 'race' tyre though.
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Posted: Wed May 30th, 2007 10:30 am |
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| Well the combination of the K7, a little more track knowledge and of course a body mass reduction of around three stone should see dale right up there with the Baron.
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Posted: Wed May 30th, 2007 11:01 am |
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| Three stones? If I lost three stones I'd be... oh... hungry!
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